"There is a kinship there, there's no question," Trotz said. "I've been at this for a while and it's so hard to move forward sometimes. It's always thrown in your face everywhere your turn. I know it's thrown in Ovi's face everywhere he turns, and he's a great player in this league. I knew the frustration because you're so close and you just can't get it, and you just got to stay with it."