I asked him about the four losses (all by submission) in his first five fights. "I knew I wasn't ready," he said. "Opponents would do stuff that I wasn't prepared to defend. I either never seen it before or never had it done to me before and when it was (put) on me, I didn't know how to escape. I clearly knew I was losing these fights due to my lack of experience. Back in 2003, there weren't any amateur MMA circuits like it is today, so you either turn pro or go home."