"For 30, 40 years, I've been watching flippers. ... It almost ought to be outlawed. ... (I)f somebody defrauded a bank, and he's going to get 10 years in jail or 20 years in jail, but if you can say something bad about Donald Trump, and you can go down to two years or three years, which is the deal (Mr. Cohen) made, in all fairness to him, most people are going to do that. ... They just make up lies."