In this podcast:Leaders from two Baltimore-based relief agencies — the Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Service and Catholic Relief Services — talk about President Trump's order banning immigration from seven majority-Muslim nations and Trump's indefinite ban on refugees from the Syrian civil war. Dan's guests are Linda Hartke (1:28), president and CEO of LIRS, and Bill O'Keefe (13:14), vice-president for government relations for CRS. Offering commentary on the potential international ramifications of Trump's controversial order: Arnold Isaacs (22:17), former Sun foreign correspondent and editor, and author of "From Troubled Lands: Listening to Pakistani Americans and Afghan Americans in post-9/11 America."Listen to the podcast in the player here.Using our app? Go to baltimoresun.com/roughlyspeaking to listen to the podcast.To subscribe: On iPhones, iPads and iPod Touches, search for "Roughly Speaking" in the Podcasts app. On Android devices, search for the podcast in the Google Play Music app or in a third-party podcast app such as Stitcher Radio, BeyondPod or Pocket Casts, or, if the app allows, manually add its feed URL. On desktop computers, subscribe through iTunes. Or, follow on SoundCloud. Need help? Email firstname.lastname@example.org.