Indians' Ogea adds moisture to claims of Hershiser spitter 'He cheats. Why not?' starter says after Johnson revives longtime debate; ALCS notebook

CLEVELAND — CLEVELAND -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Chad Ogea admitted before last night's game what Orioles manager Davey Johnson suggested and many others within baseball have long maintained:

Not all of Orel Hershiser's pitches are legal.


Asked to address Johnson's allegations that Hershiser repeatedly moistened the ball by going to his mouth and neck during Saturday's 2-1 Indians win, Ogea stunned a media gathering by saying, "I've known Orel for three years. He cheats. And just about everybody else does. Why not?"

Unsure whether Ogea was joking, a follow-up question drew a further response. "He showed me how to cheat, but said I couldn't use it until I was 35. If I stay around that long, I'll get the privilege to cheat."


Hershiser was asked to address Ogea's comments but declined. Team spokesman Bart Swain said the pitcher was receiving treatment and had nothing to say.

Indians general manager John Hart said: "Orel does not doctor the baseball, period," when informed of Johnson's comments.

Hart doesn't mind such talk. "It's the postseason," he said. "I'm sure there's some gamesmanship involved. If that's what people think, that's great."

Johnson raised the issue after Saturday's second inning when he complained to plate umpire John Hirschbeck that Hershiser was repeatedly wiping moisture onto the ball, a rules violation.

"I know from my experience that Orel likes to put water on the back of his neck," said Johnson, whose managerial path has closely mirrored Hershiser's move from the National League to the American League. "He prefers to have the cover of the ball wet as opposed to dry, and he will get water wherever he can get it. He was going right from his mouth to the ball, and that's illegal. I wanted to point it out to them, and at least have Orel thinking about it."

The issue only added heat to a series that has seen Indians manager Mike Hargrove curse Johnson for trying to gain advantage through delay tactics. Hargrove became infuriated Saturday when Johnson took trainer Richie Bancells with him to the mound to check on Arthur Rhodes. At the time, Randy Myers had yet to begin warming and Hargrove believed Johnson's visit was actually a stall.

"We felt Davey was trying to buy time to get Randy Myers ready," said Hargrove, who pointed and shouted at the Orioles manager while complaining to the umpiring crew. "In my mind, he was trying to buy time. I felt it was not right, although there is nothing that can be done about it.

"It worked for Davey. But it's no big deal."


Hargrove said anyone who doesn't expect managerial gamesmanship at this time of the year "is missing the boat," but he stopped short of making the accusation against Johnson.

Shades of Piniella

Hargrove isn't the first manager upset at Johnson for checking on Rhodes.

Seattle's Lou Piniella still is convinced that Johnson, accompanied by Bancells, removed Rhodes before the ninth inning of Game 3 of the Division Series to force Mariners starter Jeff Fassero, who was working on a shutout, to sit an extra 10 or 15 minutes. Johnson said that Rhodes had some stiffness in his upper left forearm, and didn't use him again until Saturday's Game 3 of the ALCS.

Johnson said he checked on Rhodes because the left-hander wasn't throwing his slider, which the manager took as an indication that the forearm might be bothering him.

"He said it wasn't, but I think he's a little leery about throwing his slider," Johnson said before last night's game, in which Rhodes XTC was again used, relieving Scott Erickson in the fifth.


"I think it's bothering him a little bit, but not to the point where he can't perform," said catcher Lenny Webster. "He says he's OK. It's a little sore, but if he feels like he can pitch, Davey's going to pitch him."

O's shake lineup

Trying to aid an offense that has been scuffling for runs, Johnson made some changes to his lineup for Game 4. He put Geronimo Berroa into right field in place of Eric Davis and batted him third, inserted designated hitter Harold Baines into the cleanup spot, dropped Rafael Palmeiro to fifth and lowered B. J. Surhoff to seventh.

"We've been kind of sluggish," Johnson said. "Baines is swinging the bat good. [Berroa] is swinging the bat decent. Raffy and B. J. aren't swinging as good as they're capable of."

The shakeup paid huge dividends.

Surhoff, 2-for-11 in the ALCS before last night, doubled in the Orioles' first run in the second inning and sliced another double to left field in the third.


Baines, who had been 3-for-8, hit a two-run homer in the third, and Rafael Palmeiro followed with his first postseason homer, which also accounted for his first RBI.

Berroa singled in a run off the left-field wall in the seventh inning to reduce Cleveland's lead to 7-6.

Long time manager

Johnson has been involved in the two longest games in terms of time in LCS history. His New York Mets needed 4: 42 to defeat the Houston Astros in a game in the 1986 NLCS, which lasted 16 innings. The record stood until Saturday's 4: 51 marathon, which was won by Cleveland in 12 innings.

"I only like to look back to a couple days ago. I might get the wrong flashback," he said. "I try to remain positive."

Johnson said he didn't have trouble sleeping after Saturday's loss. "I turn the page pretty easy," he said. "There's nothing you can do about it. All you can do is try to make sure it was the right call, and they seemed pretty certain about it. That's it.


"I have never felt that one play cost you a ballgame. They've come awfully close to costing you a ballgame, though."

No rest for S. Alomar

Though he caught all 12 innings in Game 3 and has played every inning of the postseason, Sandy Alomar was back in Cleveland's lineup. Hargrove said he considered giving Alomar the night off -- for five seconds.

"This is the postseason, and Sandy's fine," Hargrove said. "I talked to the trainers today, and Sandy's had almost a full day to recover. I would probably have to arm-wrestle Sandy to keep him out of the lineup now, and I don't have the strength."

He didn't have any regrets. Alomar had his first three hits of the series, including the game-winner in the ninth.

Battle of bullpens


Much was made of the Orioles' superiority in the bullpen during their Division Series victory over the Mariners. The Orioles were supposed to have an advantage, albeit not one as significant, in their ALCS against the Indians.

It hasn't happened.

Except for Myers shutting down the Indians in Game 1 in relief of Erickson, the Orioles' relievers have been mediocre while Cleveland's bullpen has been sensational. The numbers prove the difference between the bullpens, and in the series.

The Orioles' bullpen has given up five runs and six hits (13 walks) in 14 1/3 innings and has taken all three losses. The Indians have surrendered three runs and 10 hits (eight walks) over the same stretch.

"I've been more surprised by the way we've swung at the Indians' pitchers," said Johnson. "I saw some hanging curveballs that we normally waffle. When I see hanging pitches in the strike zone, that's not necessarily a real good bullpen. I saw a few of those at critical times. They have a good bullpen, but they're not all great out there."

Hargrove saw it as just good pitching.


"The guys we have out there are very good at what they do," he said. "I don't think anybody should be surprised at all."

Around the horn

Johnson said Mike Mussina, who threw 120 pitches Saturday, still would come back on three days' rest to pitch Game 6 Wednesday afternoon at Camden Yards. Jim Thome broke an 0-for-12 slump with a fifth-inning single. The Indians were so short on relievers in Game 3 after Hargrove used six of them that Charles Nagy, who will start Game 6, was told to go to the bullpen in the 11th inning. Cleveland's Bip Roberts had to leave last night's game in the sixth inning because of a strained left knee.

Looking ahead

Potential pitching matchups for the Orioles-Indians series:

Game 6, at Baltimore, 4: 15 p.m. Wed.


O's: Mike Mussina (*0-0, 1.29)

Cle.: Charles Nagy (*0-0, 6.35)

Game 7#, at Baltimore, 8: 15 p.m. Thurs.

O's: Scott Erickson (*1-0, 0.00)

Cle.: Orel Hershiser (*0-0, 0.00)

* ALCS stats; # -- if necessary


Pub Date: 10/13/97