In '86, when we all met each other, it was a combination of me and Dave running that slashy metal playing and Eric and Perry really influenced by Siouxsie [and the Banshees], Echo [and the Bunnymen], Joy Division, Bauhaus-more of the subtle songwriting approach, less slash. And that's what you get when Jane's started: me and Dave kind of overplaying and Eric and Perry underplaying, and that was the dark with the light. And that was something we didn't ignore. Me and Navarro love Grateful Dead and all of a sudden "Summertime Rolls" was born, and Perry loved African music and all of a sudden "Mountain Song" was there. You bring what you have to the table, and if you respect the cats you're working with, you listen. And that's what happened this time. Sitek would bring records to the hangout and I'd never even heard this shit. And I've been a musician my whole life. I love listening to music and Sitek was bringing this shit I'd never heard of. And we both shared the love of Bad Brains, and from that point on, we had a different record collection. You don't know what you're going for, but you know there is some ground to break. You don't want to repeat what you did even though you love it. You want to go past it. You want to grab that urgency, that desperation that rock music needs, or it's just a fraud. If you're not urgent, if you're not desperate . . .It's tough to hear Mick Jagger sing, "I can't get no satisfaction"-that's crazy. He's got it. You really have to live it.