The wall existed for good reasons, historically. But we [journalists] were kind of a mystery to [the business side of the paper] too. When they look at our budget, they . . . would say, “Well, really, do they need all those editors? Do they really have to have two people checking every story—can’t you do it with one?” And because there was really no relationship across that wall, it kind of inhibited a lot of relationships. [The business side] didn’t have the background. And it would hurt us too, because they’d say, “Well listen, man, this classified ad thing is going away,” and we’d think, “Well, they always say that every time the economy’s bad, blah blah blah,” so we all just merrily skipped along—into the jaws of a complete disaster.