"His older brother Jack surfed all the time, his brother Charlie, his brother Joe, and Michael surfed and skated all the time," he said. "Most of his skateboarding was done right around the period of time in the late '70s, you know what I mean . . . obviously riding pools and banks when available in the area-it wasn't like California or anything-and then skating a lot of the street. And what I call street skating back then wasn't curbs and benches but housing complexes. They'd build the road first, the pathway, so there were places with driveways . . . and stuff like that. So he'd be skating pretty much every day, solidly for years, him and his guys. I'm older than he was, but . . . he had his own crew, guys his age. Most of the time they'd surf and skate when there's no waves."