As the final hours tick down on 2009, we must have a forum for final thoughts on "Jon & Kate Plus 8" and the Gosselins.
The good news: The kids are off TV, which is what many regulars at this blog wanted.
The bad news: Neither Jon nor Kate appears willing to go away. Kate gets a new show on TLC in the spring, and Jon, well, Jon can't let go of his tabloid dream of being famous.
But what are your final thoughts on this remarkable story of seeing an American family that TV tried to sell as an ideal implode before our eyes?
And do you think TLC and the reality TV indutsry have learned anything from this debacle?